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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-13 19:25:07
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From 1st June Vodafone are changing the way they charge for data.
Reading between the lines web access will plateau at Ł1 per day for up
to 15MB, but other IP access will cost Ł2 per MB (down from Ł2.35 now).

My contract (which still has another 11 or 12 months to run) currently
includes Ł30 of data/SMS, which is 250 text messages (at 12p each)
interchangeable with data at Ł2.35 per MB. If I continue the same usage
(~10 MB per month, and a handful of text messages) my bill will increase
from Ł25 per month to at least Ł45 per month, but with each data session
now to cost 5p, it would probably go higher as my phone checks for new
e-mail, which would normally only send a few bytes.

Given this is a detrimental change to the consumer, does anyone have any
experience of how Vodafone handles this? I will contact them in a few
days - experience has taught me the operators do not always know about
new changes as soon as they appear, and trying to explain the difference
between ssh and http protocols, so as to ask if they are charged
differently might be hard!

Cheers,

Mark.


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-13 19:27:34
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Oh, this is the link to the info:

www.vodafone.co.uk/dataprices


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-13 19:47:50
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Mark Coley wrote in message
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> From 1st June Vodafone are changing the way they charge for data. Reading
> between the lines web access will plateau at Ł1 per day for up to 15MB,
> but other IP access will cost Ł2 per MB (down from Ł2.35 now).
>
> My contract (which still has another 11 or 12 months to run) currently
> includes Ł30 of data/SMS, which is 250 text messages (at 12p each)
> interchangeable with data at Ł2.35 per MB. If I continue the same usage
> (~10 MB per month, and a handful of text messages) my bill will increase
> from Ł25 per month to at least Ł45 per month, but with each data session
> now to cost 5p, it would probably go higher as my phone checks for new
> e-mail, which would normally only send a few bytes.
>
> Given this is a detrimental change to the consumer, does anyone have any
> experience of how Vodafone handles this? I will contact them in a few
> days - experience has taught me the operators do not always know about new
> changes as soon as they appear, and trying to explain the difference
> between ssh and http protocols, so as to ask if they are charged
> differently might be hard!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark.

I rang them the day I got the SMS and the guys at the call centre knew just
about as much as the website still says. In fact I got the impression that
the guy I was talking to was reading directly from the website to me.

Theyve stated that there will be monthly data bundles but no other details,
although with a 30 day cancellation policy, youd hope theyed be published
before 1st May so that we all have time to sign up with WebnWalk.....


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-13 20:11:59
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Jeremy wrote:
> Theyve stated that there will be monthly data bundles but no other details,
> although with a 30 day cancellation policy, youd hope theyed be published
> before 1st May so that we all have time to sign up with WebnWalk.....

Does WebnWalk allow peer-to-peer services (by this I mean ssh from my
putty client to a linux box)? VF will excluded peer-to-peer
communications, which, by my reading will exclude ssh, pop, imap, smtp
etc, as these all go peer to peer and not via an http proxy.

I think they may have shot themselves in the foot here, as if the
competition are offering a lot more, why will people stay?

Mark.


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-13 21:52:53
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In article , mdc1003@nospam.cam.ac.uk
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> Does WebnWalk allow peer-to-peer services (by this I mean ssh from my
> putty client to a linux box)?
>

It certainly does, I use it all the time and on a non-standard port too.

Steve.


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-14 05:25:38
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Mark Coley wrote:
> Jeremy wrote:
>> Theyve stated that there will be monthly data bundles but no other
>> details, although with a 30 day cancellation policy, youd hope
>> theyed be published before 1st May so that we all have time to sign
>> up with WebnWalk.....
>
> Does WebnWalk allow peer-to-peer services (by this I mean ssh from my
> putty client to a linux box)? VF will excluded peer-to-peer
> communications, which, by my reading will exclude ssh, pop, imap, smtp
> etc, as these all go peer to peer and not via an http proxy.

Peer to peer services tend to mean p2p sharing - certainly in my
experience in a network admin role. Ive no idea if mobile networks
take a different stand on it.

Most capped cost/all-you-can-eat/unlimited data bundles exclude p2p
(sharing) as these usually are high bandwidth applications.

Im on T-Mobile WnW and certainly web and mail from my device is
explicitly covered in the unlimited bundle (with things like video
streaming, p2p sharing, instant messaging explicitly excluded). It is
possible they take the same stand as you - I dont know.

D


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-14 09:46:18
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David Hearn wrote:
> Peer to peer services tend to mean p2p sharing - certainly in my
> experience in a network admin role. Ive no idea if mobile networks
> take a different stand on it.

Well they have traditionally had a different understanding of internet
access to the rest of us, confusing it with web access, so maybe I
need to make some more enquiries.

Interestingly, Ive just calculated what last months bill would have
been under the new charging scheme, assuming a 5p minimum charge per
data session and capping at Ł1 a day (though knowing VF ssh/putty
traffic would be treated as the most expensive as they would have no way
of knowing if it was web/voip/file sharing etc so would would have to
assume it was the most expensive). Normally Id pay Ł25 a month and
rarely go over my data/sms limit, but I reckon for the same usage it
would now cost Ł49.51 with no added benefits for me. That is an hefty
change.

I shall make some enquiries to Trading Standards next week to see what
the law says.

Mark.


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 Post subject: Vodafone data charging
PostPosted: 2007-04-14 09:13:01
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Mark Coley wrote in message
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> David Hearn wrote:
>> Peer to peer services tend to mean p2p sharing - certainly in my
>> experience in a network admin role. Ive no idea if mobile networks take
>> a different stand on it.
>
> Well they have traditionally had a different understanding of internet
> access to the rest of us, confusing it with web access, so maybe I need
> to make some more enquiries.
>
> Interestingly, Ive just calculated what last months bill would have been
> under the new charging scheme, assuming a 5p minimum charge per data
> session and capping at Ł1 a day (though knowing VF ssh/putty traffic would
> be treated as the most expensive as they would have no way of knowing if
> it was web/voip/file sharing etc so would would have to assume it was the
> most expensive). Normally Id pay Ł25 a month and rarely go over my
> data/sms limit, but I reckon for the same usage it would now cost Ł49.51
> with no added benefits for me. That is an hefty change.
>
> I shall make some enquiries to Trading Standards next week to see what the
> law says.
>
> Mark.

If price changes are detrimental in that the increase is more than inflation
you should be able to cancel your contract.


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